The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama

2008 has been a year of unbelievable change in American history. This is true regardless whether the topic is pop-culture, business, legal issues, or politics:

*We've seen a mind-boggling spike in oil prices.
*We've seen a presidential frontrunner, Rudy Guiliani, not win a single primary.
*We've seen a top movie star, Wesley Snipes sentenced to 3 years prison for tax fraud.
*We've seen the passing of the most influential Washington insider, Tim Russert, well before his time.

etc.

But 2 of the biggest shockers:

1.  Barack Obama, with no experience wins Dem nomination and is the frontrunner for POTUS

2.  Gays from around the country can travel to California and legally marry.

have 1 thing in common:

The media has ignored their significance because of political bias towards them.

1.  With Senator Obama, it is factually true that he lacks foreign policy experience in any real sense.  Yet, Obama has never been asked to defend this lack of experience.  No "news reports" have focused on it in an objective way. It has been left to partisans to assert in  "clumsy" ways that Obama is not ready.  Hillary was left on her own to try to "bring him down", the media wouldn't be fair for 1 news cycle.  McCain similar is finding out that news people won't make obvious statements and present the news in a template that makes the most sense.  So running against obama, you have more than 1 opponent.

So the end result is that since, Wolf Blitzer won't say, "Obama has no FP experience".  Chris Wallace won't say, "Obama is not qualified to be President" because of his lack of experience.

Not once.  Sure, they might hint around and ask secondary questions and speculate about whether he needs a VP to bolster credentials, but what I say is objectively true.

You might think, maybe that's not their role to make declarative statemtents, but they do it on every issue.  The "objective" media asserts "facts" that are debatable all the time. But when something is obvious as Obama's non-existent FP resume, they have been silent.

Right now the media is asserting that the "surge clearly has worked".  Whereas earlier, the "surge clearly hadn't worked".

Whatever you think, they are taking a position.

Think about other issues/people

Remember Tim Russert with his obsession with Social Security going broke?  It was all premised on a lie.  There was no crisis.  The worst case scenario was that decades from now, if nothing changed retirees THEN would receive 70+% of promised benefits, which in real terms would be larger than today's payment.  Maybe not the best politics, or the best policy, but not a crisis.  But Russert declared repeatedly to every Politician "the looming crisis" and then asked questions.

What about, Al Gore's problems with "the truth"?  Media magnified small issues into character problems.

So this year, when you are a journalist, don't you have to ask an Obama supporter, "Obama has no experience, if he's qualified, who isn't?"

But what happened is that they refused to ask the questions, make the statements, present the facts, and then people voted.  Now that people have voted,

Obama is qualified because people voted for him.

Obama is doing a great job on his trip overseas.  He is really good.

But honestly, we are back in a situation just like with Bush where we have to trust he has good advisors, and hope they don't hijack the agenda like the neo-cons did to Bush.

Only the most pro-Obama person could still think he would have voted against the Iraq War. He has been a conventional Dem all the way since getting in a position of power.

So we have an inexperienced politician who portrayed himself as big change, and is now showing himself as really conventional.

But because of the media's refusal to ask serious questions, and make obvious statements and conclusions:

Democrats are guaranteed to win  this election.

Just as much as Republicans were guaranteed 2004 when the media accepted the Swift Boating of Kerry allegations and the Flip Flop label.

2.  A similar thing is happening with the gay marriage debate.  This is  a  tremendous change in america, and night after night there isn't discussion on cable, barely a mention in the papers.  Almost nothing.  Why?  Because by ignoring this large change, it makes it more normal everyday.  By election day, supporters of GM will be able to say, how is your life different because we have had this "right" for the past 6 months."

The media is lulling people to sleep so as to allow the issue to be more normal to moderate people.

It is absolutely working.

Republicans don't talk about it.
Democrats don't talk about it.

Only the far left activists talk about it.  By them being so extreme, it allows the moderates to move the mainstream pendulum on the issue to the left.

So for instance, civil unions is almost universally supported in terms of major party politics.

Again, imagine the media being fair, and saying, "whoa, whatever you think, this is large, this is huge".

What does it mean for our values?
What does it mean for what we teach our children?
What does it mean for the already weakening institution of marriage?

Are there any boundaries that can't be broken, if enough people agree?

But, silence.

I support Obama.
I oppose the gay rights movement.

But in both cases, the media has ignored the major issues becuase of political bias.

Here at mydd, we have people who jump 2 steps ahead and ignore reality.

They talk as if its' normal to nominate a person with no experience.

They talk as if it was only a matter of time before the "bigots" were defeated and the  "last civil rights issue" was acheived.

I wonder where are the realists?

No matter what side, to accept reality, and then present their viewpoint.

No normal person wants 2 "married men living next to them".

No normal voter wants an inexperienced Senator becoming President.

But we are approaching these because of the elites in media working together to shape the issues.

Ultimately with Obama, I sense we will get lucky and he will turn out okay as President. I think he will surround himself with good advisors, and make good decisions.

I always remember as a black person being told that becuase of racism, "we have to be twice as good" as whites, especially when we break a barrier.  Like Jackie Robinson or Thurgood Marshall.  But Obama clearly isn't twice as good, he's not qualified in an objective sense according to what we've thought all these years.

Yet, this year, we've changed, and it's not a story?  How many Democrats railed against Bush for lack of experience in 2000?  I'm trying to show the power of a group of elites in the media who can control our politics by what they say or even don't say.

It seems I'm the only Democrat here at mydd who will speak obvious truths that are politically incorrect.  But those of you who are ready to call me names, even you have to admit at some level

This is risky.



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RE: THIS DIARY (1.50 / 2)

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY CLINTON!!!!!!!!!


by Lance Bryce on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:54:32 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 3)

"But honestly, we are back in a situation just like with Bush where we have to trust he has good advisors, and hope they don't hijack the agenda like the neo-cons did to Bush.

What complete and utter Bullshit. Bush not only didn't know anything about the world, he didn't care?

Obama is one smart cookie, SURE he will have trusted advisors, but to say we have to trust his advisors is crap. If they give him bad advice, Obama will know.

Oh, and, you really DO like to get abused here?

You seem to want to charge ahead into the Gay Marriage thing, KNOWING this is a very liberal site, and your opinion is not held by virtually anyone here.

I will give you kudos for guts, but I think you're picking the wrong place for your arguments.


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:56:05 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 1)

I post at this site, hoping to convince people.

If I found a democratic site with some sense, I'd post there too.

--
So, so so many dems railed against bush for lack of experience.  There was also a lack of curiosity.

But take obama he has a lack of experience, and a lack of consistency.

What can you say you know 100% he believes in on major issues?

What won't he compromise or change?

You don't know.
I don't know.

I do think it will turn out good, but its' risky, and that is a news story.


by yellowdem1129 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:59:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 1)

Do you seriously think the major issue shifts for McCain even come close to Barack Obama's issue shifts?

Obama (wow, these are big issues!):
-Decided not to filibuster FISA with telecom amnesty
-After promising to "work with McCain" on public financing, he decided not to take it
-Cuba embargo. I 2004 he wanted to end it. Now he wants to ease it.
-Gun control - he used to be a huge gun control fan, but now he's softening that
-?????

McCain:
-Against Bush tax cuts, now he's for Bush tax cuts
-Against offshore oil drilling, now he's for oil drilling
-Supported Kennedy-McCain immigration reform - opposed Kennedy-McCain immigration reform
-Against repeal of Roe v. Wade, for repeal of Roe v. Wade
-Against torture, for certain types of torture

Those are big issues....


by Lance Bryce on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:11:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 4)

What do your statements about Obama's experience level translate into you discomfort with LGBT issues?  Apples, oranges, and then a forum to rant.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:15:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (none / 0)

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:18:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

More FUCKING bigotry (2.00 / 3)

from yellowdem. Screw you and your offensive opposition to gay rights.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 06:12:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More FUCKING bigotry (2.00 / 1)

Looks like gay bashing is not only acceptable but it seems to get this turd on the rec.list.

Can any of the mods please clarify if their is a different standard when it comes to judging hate ?

This diarist and his past history on this blog is disturbing to say the least.


Obama/Clark (still dreaming)
by spacemanspiff on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:20:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (none / 0)

At this point, you can vote for McCain, who has spent the last 25 years in Washington DC, pampered by lobbyists, and being a "maverick".
In the last 6 months he has reversed position on several issues (mentioned in a post just above) that he has supported for years, just to pander to the far right voters that despise him.
He doesn't know anything about the economy, he thinks wars solve problems and he thought it was a good idea to invade a country that had no WMD and no connection to  9/11. Phil Gramm, the worst thing to happen to the economy since the Vietnam war, was rumored to be the future Treasury Secretary- Phil Gramm.

Or you can vote for Obama, who has judgement, intelligence and experience working with actual people that have actual problems.

I know who I'm picking, and it ain't the guy with all that experience you seem to think is so important.


by skohayes on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 06:58:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It is quite normal (2.00 / 4)

to nominate a person with no foreign policy experience.  In fact, the previous two presidents had no foreign policy experience when they were nominated.

Also, when you say "what I say is objectively true" it is a tell that what you say probably isn't objectively true.


by JJE on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:57:24 PM EST

Re: It is quite normal (1.50 / 2)

it is true there isn't any training for POTUS, but we have in past had standards.  Candidates have had, SOMETHING to point to.

Even Bill Clinton had a long record that you could argue for.

Mostly, that he had a natl profile in NGA, had been relected to a statewide office, as well as a well developed philosophical approach.

Look at each president, and Obama doesn't compare.

Again, my point is that this should be a bigger story, rather than the media just accepting it and moving on to other issues.

I am voting obama because he's a dem, he's black, i generally like him.

but he's not qualified. that's why i supported hillary


by yellowdem1129 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:04:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

a record to point to (2.00 / 1)

doesn't mean much of anything by itself.  It's just a list of titles.  At any rate, the emphasis in your diary was on foreign policy, and it's indisputable that Bill Clinton had none when he was nominated.

Hillary actually didn't have much of a record either.  It was just campaign spin.  Experience was really no basis for choosing between Hillary and Barack.


by JJE on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:09:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a record to point to (1.00 / 1)

I'm researching this now.

But off the top of my head:

Hillary was in the WH, dealing with FP and other issues for 8 years plus the 6 years in the senate.

According to all evidence, she was Clinton's top advisor.

---
I'll research bill's right now


by yellowdem1129 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:13:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

So clearly (2.00 / 2)

She dealt with FP issues before having FP experience. Unless you posit that Arkansan First Ladies are FP wonks?


by Neef on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:16:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So clearly (1.50 / 2)

i understand the point.  But you have to admit Obama has taken the "no experience" to a new level.

Hillary has been dealing with national issues since Watergate.

For good or for bad.

Clinton was reelected 5 times as governor.

Bush 2 was reeelcted tex governor.

Bush 1 cia director, vp.
Reagan, releected Cal. governor.

they had expereince at something,

We've never had someone so unqualified win.

Now the trick may be he is the best president because he isn't trapped into "Washington" thinking.
Fine

but the facts are still there.

and by the way, why is it that almost every major decision or speech lately is really really conventional?

big change is now big the same.

which is pretty much what i was getting from HRC.


by yellowdem1129 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:29:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It may surprise you (2.00 / 2)

to know I agree with the "no experience"...to a degree. I can't pretend Obama is a (post-WH) Jimmy Carter.

But to come back to my point, HRC didn't screw up her first forays into FP. The larger question becomes how much FP experience is necessary? As a corollary, how much economic, administrative, legislative and constitutional experience is required?

If it's a hard bar, then that should be codified as a rule, don't you think? I couldn't tell you how much FP experience Perot had, or Nader, or Edwards. If it's NOT a hard bar, then it becomes a subjective measure. You're free to be concerned about it, but it's equally valid for me not to be.


by Neef on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:13:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No (2.00 / 1)

this was vetted during the campaign.  Her FP experience in the WH was pretty minimal.  And her schedule didn't reveal substantial involvement in many FP issues.  She also didn't have security clearance, which would have been necessary for her to have played a substantial role in high-level FP decisions.

There are reasons to favor Hillary, but an "experience gap" is not one of them.


by JJE on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:20:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It is quite normal (none / 0)

I kind of disagree. Everyone knows Obama doesn't have that much experience...the media doesn't need to sledgehammer us with it. Most people know that. And it'll hurt him a bit.


by Lance Bryce on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:13:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It is quite normal (2.00 / 1)

I'm just curious why you supported the Clintons, both, who supported LGBT rights, yet you don't.  There's a point you're trying to make that I'm not able to discern.
I get your opinion on Obama's experience; how does that interact with LGBT?
Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:21:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are against gay rights... (2.00 / 4)

I am against your continued existence.  We will probably both be disappointed.


by tonedevil on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 01:59:57 PM EST

Re: You are against gay rights... (2.00 / 4)

I Second that, at least his online existence in this community.  I don't beleive this guy/girl about any of it's representations.  I doubt this diarist is a yellow dog dem, I doubt this guy will vote for Barack as he has said before, and I am highly suspicious of the diarists claim that he is an Africna American, after the diary wherein diarist demanded that African Americans admit racism no longer exists in the US.

I think this diarist is just a dumbshit republican hack, and yeah, I know that has been pretty obvious since the primaries were over.

I hope this diarist has the opportunity to ride a bicycle with out a seat today and likes it, just for the sake of irony.  


Democrat for the democratic nominee
by KLRinLA on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:36:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You are against gay rights... (2.00 / 1)

Ha!


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:42:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How's everybody's weather? (2.00 / 3)

It's been pretty rainy around here lately. The sky was dark at lunchtime, though it didn't rain. It's just been kind of gloomy. Unfortunately it's also been very hot and humid, bah.
Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:03:27 PM EST

Re: How's everybody's weather? (2.00 / 3)

Its a lovely day here in eastern Iowa.  Sunny, pleasantly warm, light breeze.  I'll be going for a long walk when I get home from work tonight.


by GreenHills on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:11:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 6)

No normal person wants 2 "married men living next to them

Huh? Define normal. And rather presumptuous of you to speak for all "normal" people, don't you think?

Next

What does it mean for our values?
What does it mean for what we teach our children?
What does it mean for the already weakening institution of marriage?

Absolutely nothing to all of the above. Why should it change anything. Are your values changed? Do you all of a sudden have to teach your children something different, except maybe tolerance.
And weakening institution of marriage. How in Gods name does gay marriage effect in any way heterosexual marriage. Actually gay marriage should be a model for the the other. Almost all gay marriages I know are much stronger and much more committed than a lot of heterosexual marriages I know.

Finally, what are you going to do if one day you wake up and one of your children comes to you and says:

Mom/Dad I'm gay, I'm in love and I'm going to get married.

Throw him or her out of your life, deny their existance, stop loving them? Or are you one of those truly looney people who think gay people can be fixed?

Yellowdem on this subject you truly need to shut the f up. And this is the first time I have ever said this to anyone, on any blog.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:13:22 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn (1.00 / 1)

that's the problem.

bitter, angry. personal aggressive comments.

if the people here are so, so, correct, why the personal atacks?

I'm confident I'm right.
Therefore I don't need to respond in kind.

The media has allwed mydd types to define these issues.

I agree with Obama, disagree with the California situation.

But either way its' a shame that our politics is os defined by elites making questionable decisions


by yellowdem1129 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:25:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn (2.00 / 5)

I'm confident I'm right.

All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure.

Mark Twain


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:32:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn (2.00 / 1)

I won't attack or be impolite.

As you know, only 50 years ago, in some states if you, a black person, were in a loving, consenting relationship with a white person, the law prohibited your marriage.

Many Americans in the early half of the 20th century - some of them well-educated people - argued passionately that allowing inter-racial marriages would be terribly detrimental to the social fabric, that it would weaken America by "mongrelizing" our nation.

Ridiculous as their arguments sound today, back then these people were convinced that inter-racial marriage was a HUGE ISSUE.  I think you would agree that the people who took the liberal view, who realized that inter-racial marriage was not harmful - were correct.

Even if you believe that there's no parallel between banning marriage of consenting mixed-race couples, and banning marriage of consenting same-sex couples, the type of ARGUMENT you are making (This is huge! It will radically affect our society!) and the type of ARGUMENT on the other side (This is no big deal! It is simply allowing consenting adult couples to marry!) really do parallel the early 20th century debate.

Those arguing that a Change is detrimental, place more burden on themselves than the side arguing "No it isn't."  They need to provide some compelling evidence of the predicted detriment.  What compelling evidence suggests that allowing consenting same-sex couples to wed in America, would harm the institution of marriage in America as it relates so opposite-sex couples?  What compelling evidence suggests that American children would be harmed when they learn that the law allows adult same-sex couples, like opposite-sex couples, to get married in America?


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 08:06:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

First of all (2.00 / 2)

There are a multitude of spheres a President must be conversant with, of which FP is just one. It's unimaginable to require that ONE PERSON be experienced in all these spheres, nor do we typically do so. As a case in point, please tell me how much FP experience our last few Governor/Presidents have had before they win the WH?

Frankly, I'd be happy if ONLY Governors could be President, as they have the most similar job in the country. I personally don't think any Senator or Congressman has real experience running a nation. But that's not our rule.

Second, given that we are where we are (and we ARE there), what your solution at this point? Vote McCain?


by Neef on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:14:39 PM EST

Re: First of all (none / 0)

i'm voting obama.

the point of the diary is that the media has never really addressed the obama being unqualified and now that people have voted it is moot,
because he's qualified because people voted for him to be in the office.

Just because I press the obama button doesn't mean for the next 4 months or 4 years I have to ignore reality.


by yellowdem1129 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:23:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm not questioning your vote (2.00 / 1)

and if I did, you'd be justified in telling me to go to hell.

I AM asking a very real, substantive question. What is our action item, given your concerns?


by Neef on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:15:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 5)

No normal person wants 2 "married men living next to them".

Wow...how bigoted is this statement!?!?!

Actually, I would be quite happy to have two married men living next to me, assuming they met the normal parameters of being a good neighbor.  I would imagine being a gay man (or woman), especially where I live, carries with it a good deal of nervousness.  Every time you move to a new home, do they have to worry about whether they'll be befriended, accepted, merely tolerated, or outright hated?  It's something I, certainly, have never experienced or even considered.  So, if they moved in next door to me, I'd be glad to know that at least one family on the block would accept them.  

Now, RE: Obama, I fail to see the problems as you do.  He's told us what he wants to do, in terms of foreign policy.  He calls himself a realist, though my poli sci perspective tells me that he's really a foreign policy liberal, embracing the goods of realism, which includes avoiding unnecessary and costly wars.  He has more foreign policy experience than Bush II, Clinton, Reagan, and any number of other Presidents who never held national office before their election.  And, despite your assertion to the contrary, the "Obama needs to beef up his FP credentials" has been a common media theme that I've noticed time and again.  

I'm right there with you that we can't trust the media to be fair, neutral, and factual.  It's a money driven industry, and will behave as such.  


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by freedom78 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:02:23 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 4)

My only problem with this diary is that you attempt to link Obama and the recent success we gays and lesbians have achieved here in California. They are completely unrelated and is a result of our long 15 year struggle. Obama and the DNC ain't got nothing to do it. Period.


by Iceblinkjm on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:10:00 PM EST

My normal neighbors ....right next door ... (2.00 / 7)

are quite pleased to have the two men living together next door to them, even though we aren't 'married' because folks like you keep us from that right.

In fact,they have us look out after their teenagers when they are out of town, and we are surprisingly the only neighbors in the area they really like.  I think if you lived next door, they would not care for your presence.

This entire diary is based on thin air.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:21:38 PM EST

Thin, foul, poisonous air... (2.00 / 3)

I think I need to go take a shower after reading this.

I'm outta here.

-chris


"A ship in port is safe, but that is not what ships are for. Sail out to sea and do new things." Admiral Grace Hopper, computer pioneer
by chrisblask on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:26:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Holy christ, yellow, you just disintegrated! (2.00 / 4)

No normal person wants 2 "married men living next to them".

No normal voter wants an inexperienced Senator becoming President.

But we are approaching these because of the elites in media working together to shape the issues.

um, point #1?  You are suggesting what is normal, and that it is like you: more concerned with what other people do with their sex lives than is psychologically sound.  As one of the "un-normal" by your twisted definition, I would rather have a sane couple of men living beside me than many of the destructive straight couples who have in fact been my neighbors.

point #2?  Sure, right.  Normal folks would hate to have unexperienced senators - like, say, Abraham Lincoln - as president.  Normal folks would much prefer the vast experience of someone like James Buchanan...

point #3?  You just have to take your meds.  Sure, the Vast Media Conspiracy being directed by the leaders of the media companies who compete with each other for power and existence, carried on in smoky backrooms, is promoting gay marriage, Barack Obama and the Mind Waves that are penetrating your bunker...

God lord, yellow, you have jumped so many sharks with this diary that you may just have set a record.

-chris


"A ship in port is safe, but that is not what ships are for. Sail out to sea and do new things." Admiral Grace Hopper, computer pioneer
by chrisblask on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:24:55 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 2)

OH NOES "THE GAYS" CAN MARRY.

You know why it is not being covered?  Cause it's not a story.  Only in the Dobson, Robertson, Helms view of the world does this merit caring about.  

MA did not collapse into dust when they legalized marriage, like all other arguments from the religious right this one was completely wrong.


I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?
by kasjogren on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:11:45 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 1)

People rec'ing this Republican troll?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGEnKh0oc b0


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:44:26 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 1)

You say: No normal person wants 2 "married men living next to them".

Let us look at property values in gay neighborhoods. This should show us how eager 'normal' people are to live with either group. The higher the property value, the higher the demand for living in the area. This is a proxy for who people accept as neighbors. Gay areas like San Francisco, West Hollywood, Greenwhich Village, the French Quarter are both heavily gay and have high property values. Which tells me that 'normal' people really like living around gay people.

Your statement is demonstrably false: people in general find gay areas more attractive and are willing to pay more to have gay neighbors.  


by DaleA on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:03:08 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 1)

I live up on Capital Hill in Seattle, and got a screaming deal on a condo at a cool half a million bucks.

My girlfriend and I, and the architect who built it and his wife are the only straight folks in the complex of 9 units.

Frankly, all the Gay folks have more expensive cars then us 4 do!

The gay community sure ain't hurting MY property values none....


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:27:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 2)

No normal person wants 2 "married men living next to them".

Shame rec.  Did this blog resort to prison rules or something?  How is this acceptable on a progressive blog?


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 06:28:53 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (2.00 / 2)

The gay marriage issue is getting some coverage in California, but only insofar as attempts to override the California Supreme Court decision are not resonating with the citizens.  National media is not paying that much attention, but it is a state issue, so why should they.

Seems that Bill Clinton was elected without a lot of foreign policy experience and did a wonderful job.  As for MSM declaring that a candidate is unfit, that is not really their job.  I know they do that but it really isn't their place.


by Susan from 29 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 06:33:44 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (none / 0)

This diary is pretty lame. First of all, where do you get the idea that Obama doesn't have enough foreign policy experience to be president? How much experience did Bush have? Don't like that example, because he was so bad? Then how much FP experience did Bill Clinton have? Bush I had experience, but what experience did Reagan have? How about Carter? Ford?

There have been six presidents since Nixon left office and only one of those could claim foreign policy experience greater than Obama's. In fact, Obama has more since he has actually lived overseas.

The first half of your diary is just plain wrong. Now for the second part.

You state that the media is lulling people to sleep on this issue so it will seem more normal. Did you ever consider the possibility that it is normal and that's why they aren't talking about it.

What exactly do you think the media is hiding? Has divorce sky-rocketed among hetero's since gays can get married? Have same-sex sexual experiments become required parts of all sex-ed classes? Has G*D sent a hurricane to punish America? Oh, that's right, he already did that to NO for holding a gay festival. He probably needs to rest up before sending another one.

Please explain what great evil you feel will befall our society because gays can marry. How is your existence affected by someone else's right to marry?

Don't come with the silly arguments about now anything is possible, even incestuous marriages. That is like claiming that allowing women to vote means that kids will be next. Or that allowing non-whites to vote means that dogs and cats voting can't be far behind.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 07:25:21 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (none / 0)

"In fact, Obama has more since he has actually lived overseas."

That should have read, "In fact, Obama has more than most since he has actually lived overseas."


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 07:26:33 PM EST
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Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (none / 0)

I want the brain surgeon who cuts tumors out to have proof of direct relevant experience. I want a President to have the ability to think at a complex level, the experience and empathy to understand different cultures, the youthful fitness to be awake and aware, and the instinct to ask questions first and shoot later.

But I really don't want the advice of self-loathing closeted homosexuals on the matter of his qualifications.


by QTG on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 08:18:32 PM EST

Re: The connection btwn Gay marriage and Obama (none / 0)

If you think no "normal" person wants gay next-door neighbors then you aren't paying attention. Please, Please, PLEASE send them all to California.  We love them and in my experience, find that their presence tends to improve neighborhoods and improve property values.  

I am not joking.  Send them HERE!  They will love the weather, be away from you, and we will welcome them with open arms.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 10:31:00 AM EST


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